Rolling Over An Outdated 401(ok)? Watch Out for These Gotchas.


Earlier this 12 months, a consumer rolled over an previous 401(ok) into her IRAs at TD Ameritrade (the place we handle our shoppers’ investments). She acquired, accurately, two checks from her 401(ok): one for her pre-tax 401(ok) account and one for her Roth 401(ok) account. She mailed each of these checks to TD Ameritrade…and so they had been each routinely dumped into her conventional IRA.

Not good. 

The after-tax/Roth cash ought to have been put into her Roth IRA. If it lives in her conventional IRA, then she loses a lot of the tax goodness of that after-tax cash. 

Fortunately, we caught the error shortly and had been capable of get the rollover cash correctly “located.” I then posted about it on social media, and a second consumer reached out saying that uh, she fears she might need simply finished that, too (rolling previous 401(ok) into present 401(ok)).

It made me understand that there are in all probability 1000 little (or not-so-little) ways in which rolling over your 401(ok) can go unsuitable. So, as the most recent contribution to my casual, unnamed weblog collection of “all of the bullshit it’s a must to work out to be able to handle your funds properly on this nation,” I made a decision to write down up a bunch of ways in which rollovers can go unsuitable.

I beforehand wrote an article about the fundamentals of rolling a 401(ok) to an IRA or to a different 401(ok). For in the present day’s article, I crowdsourced batshit/annoying/painful 401(ok) rollover errors from colleagues. (In case you take pleasure in shows of exasperation and indignant resignation, simply ask monetary planners about how issues can go unsuitable on this nation’s monetary infrastructure.)

I hope this record helps you keep away from or repair errors when you roll over an previous 401(ok).

[Sidebar: This is one of those times when I realize that half the value (not an exact measurement) of being a financial planner is simply that “we’ve seen a lot” and therefore know more of the stupid minutiae necessary to navigate the world of personal finance.]

Don’t Roll After-Tax/Roth Cash right into a Pre-Tax Account

That is the gotcha I discussed above. Ideally, the custodian (the monetary firm that hosts your 401(ok)) would do it correctly to start with, however clearly that doesn’t all the time occur!

It’s a must to take note of this course of from starting to finish. Sorry.

  1. Affirm you probably have each pre-tax and after-tax/Roth cash in your previous 401(ok).
    It’s best to be capable of see this on the 401(ok) web site. I do know some web sites are simply Such Utter Sh*t you could’t, wherein case, have a look at statements or name the 1-800 quantity.
  2. In case you do have each sorts of cash, affirm together with your previous 401(ok) custodian that you’re going to get two checks, one from every account.
    In case you’re fortunate, the cash might be moved electronically, however I checks are, in some way (!!), nonetheless the norm.
  3. As soon as these checks are despatched to the brand new 401(ok) custodian, hold observe of them being deposited into the brand new 401(ok).
    Pre-tax cash into the pre-tax account. After-tax cash into the Roth account. 
  4. If you don’t see the proper sum of money going into the proper account, name/chat/service pigeon your new 401(ok) custodian and get it mounted ASAP!

Take into account Rolling After-Tax/Roth Cash into an IRA (Even If Pre-Tax Cash Goes into Your New 401(ok))

If you’re rolling your previous 401(ok) into your new 401(ok), and you’ve got after-tax/Roth cash, however your new 401(ok) doesn’t have a Roth possibility (extremely unlikely in tech, however potential), then you possibly can all the time roll your pre-tax cash into the 401(ok) and the Roth cash right into a Roth IRA. Sure, you possibly can cut up them up like this!

Even in case you can roll your Roth cash into your new 401(ok), you won’t need to. Roth IRAs have some good options that Roth 401(ok)s do not, notably, you possibly can extra simply withdraw cash from a Roth IRA with out incurring taxes or penalties.

Don’t Ignore Communications from Your Outdated Employer/401(ok) Plan

Monetary advisor Daniel Yerger tells this story:

A medical clinic shut down its 401(ok) plan in 2019. Notifications had been despatched out to all present and ex-employees with property within the plan, saying that they’d a 90-day interval to roll over their property; nobody may keep in as a result of the plan was being closed. 

The clinic began a brand new 401(ok) plan in 2022. The previous plan’s TPA [Third Party Administrator, the company that manages day-to-day aspects of the 401(k) plan] contacted the clinic to say that they couldn’t try this as a result of the previous plan, although not reporting or lively, nonetheless had 4 contributors with balances. 

As a result of the previous 401(ok) plan hadn’t been compliant for over one plan 12 months, these property had been now non-qualified [i.e., they no longer had the tax protections of the 401(k)], and subsequently topic to tax and penalties. All 4 individuals had been ex-employees who ignored their notifications.

One worker subsequently ended up with a $40,000 taxable examine mailed to them a number of years after the previous 401(ok) was shut down.

Ethical of the story? Don’t ignore communications about previous accounts. 

Daniel’s story isn’t the one dangerous factor that would occur to you in case you do. Funding selections can change. Bills can change. Custodians can change. You wish to know what’s occurring.

Don’t Neglect to Set Up Your Beneficiaries Once more within the New Account

I hope you may have your beneficiaries (i.e., who will get this cash in case you die?) designated on all of your 401(ok)s and IRAs (and life insurance coverage insurance policies, too, whereas I’m at it). It’s not vital till It Actually Is And Now It’s Too Late. Which is to say, it’s crucial. 

If in case you have a 401(ok) with out beneficiaries set correctly, the unsuitable individuals may get your cash in case you die.

If in case you have beneficiaries designated in your previous 401(ok) and also you roll that cash into a brand new account, these beneficiary designations don’t switch with the cash. So, ensure that that new account has beneficiaries arrange the best way you need.

(ht @ monetary advisor Brian Gawthrop for this contribution)

Don’t Do an Oblique Rollover

If you roll over a 401(ok), it might probably occur one among two methods:

  • A direct rollover: the cash from the 401(ok) by no means touches any taxable account you personal—like a checking account or taxable funding account—and goes immediately out of your previous 401(ok) into your new 401(ok) or an IRA. The examine is made out to one thing like “Constancy fbo [for benefit of] Meg Bartelt”
  • An oblique rollover: the cash does contact such a taxable account. The examine is made out to “Meg Bartelt.”

    To calm your anxieties (“OMG, am I going to by accident do an oblique rollover?”), let me simply say that, in my expertise, oblique rollovers are far much less frequent. I’ve in truth by no means seen this with our shoppers within the tech trade.

Right here’s how an oblique rollover works:

  1. Let’s say your previous 401(ok) is $100,000. 
  2. You do an oblique rollover, and the 401(ok) cash is distributed on to you.
  3. Your previous employer routinely withholds 20% of the stability to pay revenue taxes, $20,000.
  4. You obtain a examine for $80,000 and put it in your IRA.
  5. In case you don’t do the rest, you now owe revenue taxes and a penalty on that $20,000, as a result of it has been deemed a withdrawal/distribution out of your 401(ok)…and you’ve got $20,000 much less in your retirement account than you used to. 
  6. To keep away from this, it’s a must to give you $20,000 money from…someplace to additionally put into your IRA (for a complete of the unique quantity of $100,000), and then you definately’ll get the $20,000 withholding again at tax time.

Many individuals don’t simply have an additional $20,000 money (or no matter quantity) hanging round. And plenty of different individuals don’t understand they’ll get taxed and penalized in the event that they don’t deposit it of their IRA.

Brian Gawthrop’s recommendation? “If the examine is made out to you, ship it again and don’t deposit it in your checking account.”

(ht @Andy Lindeman for this contribution)

Don’t Roll Your 401(ok) Over Too Shortly

In case you roll over your previous 401(ok) within the first few weeks after leaving your job, it’s potential that you simply’ll need to request a second 401(ok) rollover shortly thereafter. Why?

As a result of in case you don’t wait in your last paycheck—and the 401(ok) contribution that comes out of it—to totally course of earlier than doing a 401(ok) rollover, then you definately’ll have a bit more cash contributed to your 401(ok) after you’ve rolled a lot of the cash out.

Not the top of the world. Only a ache.

(ht @ monetary advisor Luis Guardia for this contribution. Advisor Jeff Bograd assures me that “Loads of plans are arrange so you possibly can’t request a distribution for a particular time period following termination of employment particularly to keep away from residual balances.” So, this gotcha in all probability isn’t quite common.)

Don’t Go away It Too Lengthy

I normally describe rolling over an previous 401(ok) as “vital, however not pressing” as a result of, within the tech trade, nearly all 401(ok)s have low prices and broadly diversified funding choices. Particularly in a world the place there normally are pressing monetary duties to deal with, I believe it’s vital to tell apart pressing from not.

However in case you depart it for years, the psychological hurdle to Simply Doing It (ultimately) goes to get increased and better. Not less than, that’s what I’ve seen with our shoppers.

So, whereas, once more, it’s not needed to roll your 401(ok) over quickly after leaving your final job, you probably have a great place to roll it to, you’re in all probability higher off simply getting it finished finished DONE now as a substitute of getting to summon the motivation sooner or later.

I’m certain there are different gotchas. The financial-services trade appears customized made to journey up even probably the most diligent of us. However this can be a actually robust begin to the record.

Bonne likelihood!

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